Saints Are Screwed

Surge · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: Saints Are Screwed

The Saints ran a "bounty" program under d-coordinator Gregg Williams that will result in the team likely receiving a hefty punishment. Schefter expects greater penalties than those that were placed on the Patriots for the whole camera thing.

Over/under 30.5 other teams that have a similar program.

Sinned · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:45 pm Post subject:

i would take the over

zam · Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:08 pm Post subject:

Given the NFL's viewpoints on protecting QBs and concussions, it'll be interesting to see how harsh they are willing to get with this punishment.

Mickels · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Saints Are Screwed

krush40 · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject:

I can see taking away a draft pick or two to show the other teams that the commish isn't messing around when it comes to stuff like this.

It's funny because I had a conversation about this with a few friends last night and the consensus was that their defense was never really that good. But then the more we thought about it, the more we recognized the high flying big hits. Like as if they would let a guy catch the ball just to light him up rather than try and disrupt the pass.

Sinned · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject:

i am not saying all the coaches have something going on like this, but i think a group of players on each team have something going on like this even if the coach doesn't know.

zam · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 4:53 pm Post subject:

The Saints could face battery, conspiracy, and tax evasion charges.

Mickels · Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:12 pm Post subject:

Surge · Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject:

Next up: the Skins.

Surge · Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject:

The penalties:

DC Gregg Williams is suspended indefinitely.
HC Sean Payton is suspended for the 2012 season.
GM Mickey Loomis is suspended the first eight games of the season.
Assistant coach Joe Vitt is suspended the first six games of the season.
$500,000 fine.
Give up 2012 and 2013 second-round picks.

There you go guys. The NFL's fixed. All players are now safe.

Mickels · Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject:

I'm certainly not as cynical about this as you are. I believe this has as much to do with the Saints lying and doing it anyway for 3 years (after the NFL said not to) as well as helping the image of the league for potential future investers. Not to mention, a nice deterrent for future violators.

I also don't believe this bounty thing is a rampant thing in the NFL like most want to perpetuate. At least not to the extreme the Saints were doing it--with coaches and front office people involved. I do believe it exists occassionally amongst players, but I certainly don't think it's a league-wide epidemic.

On the other side of the coin, I believe the same thing happens between offensive guys. I can see a WR getting a little extra from fellow teammates for scoring a TD on say... Revis or someone like that. You know, a RB getting a little extra for running over a LB, an OL for pancaking a DL, etc.

Surge · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:54 pm Post subject:

I don't have an issue with the bounty, but the NFL acting like the Saints are this evil, out-of-control organization is pretty ludicrous. The suspensions are just a product of lying and trying to cover up what you wrote, Scott, the NFL telling them to stop and their being idiots. Fine.

But to not react to this news going, "Hmm, maybe we should be concerned with the fact most of the Saints hits were legal. Maybe we should find a way to make the most dangerous legal hits illegal." But nah, the Saints hit these guys with bounties, so ignore the sport's violence and our highlights on NFL.com and Jacked Up and all the other things that we use to profit off human beings killing each other. It's just the Saints being bad.

Mickels · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:36 pm Post subject:

I don't think it's ludicrous at all. Sensationalized, sure. But ludicrous? No way.

If it came out tomorrow that a number of teams' players, their def. coor., their head coach, their GM and their owner were all in on and ran a bounty program, even after the league said not to, then I'd agree with you. But what the Saints got popped for was something this league has never seen before--especially considering they got a warning beforehand. To me, that's the kicker in this whole thing.

Mickels · Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:38 pm Post subject:

I don't think it's ludicrous at all. Sensationalized, sure. But ludicrous? No way.

If it came out tomorrow that a number of teams' players, their def. coor., their head coach, their GM and their owner were all in on and ran a bounty program, even after the league said not to, then I'd agree with you. But what the Saints got popped for was something this league has never seen before--especially considering they got a warning beforehand. To me, that's the kicker in this whole thing.

Surge · Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:26 am Post subject:

Vilma, Fujita, Will Smith and Hargrove are all cleared to play week one after winning their suspension appeal.