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dannyboy_8054
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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: FPM football- Dynasty or Keeper? |
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Figured I'd make a seperate thread for this idea.
For those of us in the league, would you want to keep this a dynasty league after the 2012 season or switch to a keeper league? (let's say 3 keepers to start) |
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theSnake
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| I'd be more interested in keeping something more like 5-6. Three is just too low and if you have a solid core, it almost penalizes you for drafting and trading well. |
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SPcARuTAbNSs
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: |
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I'd support the keeper idea because it keeps teams who did poorly more interested because they can rebound from a bad season much easier.
But I'd only want to do it if we do 3 (or less) keepers. I think once you start getting to like 6 keepers you might as well just keep it a dynasty. |
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krush40
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:11 am Post subject: |
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I vote to keep it as a dynasty.
It's not very often you can get a league like this together. Keeper leagues are a dime a dozen. |
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Mickels
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Just my two cents...
I tend to agree with Jake. If it did become a keeper league, I'd prefer to see more than 3 keepers--like 6 or so. I think 6 keepers and a 10-round draft would be fun.
Otherwise, I agree with Kevin and say just leave the league as it is. |
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dannyboy_8054
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| If we end up making a change to a keeper, six players would be too many. Like Spartans saidoffice we keep 6 we might as well keep the whole team. Anyone good at making polls on here? We can have a league vote for either a 3 keeper league or remaining as a dynasty. |
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theSnake
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| If it's only three, I just feel that's too low. You get a QB, a WR/RB and maybe your first round pick from the prior season. It doesn't reward good trades or smart drafts or taking over the best team in the league. |
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Mickels
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Again, I agree with Jake that 3 is too little. 6 lets you keep a good core... a QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, maybe a TE.
I also highly disagree with the assertion that if we keep 6 we might as well keep the whole team. I think that's a complete overreaction. We have a 16-player roster and 6 doesn't even fill a starting lineup. Keeping 6 players is not the same as keeping 16. It's not. It's just not. Is it me? It's them, right?  |
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SPcARuTAbNSs
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Mickels wrote: | Again, I agree with Jake that 3 is too little. 6 lets you keep a good core... a QB, 1-3 RB, 1-3 WR, maybe a TE.
I also highly disagree with the assertion that if we keep 6 we might as well keep the whole team. I think that's a complete overreaction. We have a 16-player roster and 6 doesn't even fill a starting lineup. Keeping 6 players is not the same as keeping 16. It's not. It's just not. Is it me? It's them, right? |
I say six is like the whole team because you could keep your QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, which just leaves a flex, K, and DEF to round out the starters in the next draft. And all I've ever done is a 3 person keeper, but we didn't start as a dynasty like this league. So from that standpoint it does make sense to keep 6 so as not to make such a drastic change and mess with people's past strategies as much. |
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krush40
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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A 3 player keeper seems pretty pointless to me. At that point we might as well just redraft a whole new team every year.
Realistically, the first 3 rounds of a draft all teams are pretty much equal. It's the 5-10 where you really make your moves and then the later rounds you take your shots.
The whole point of these dynasty leagues (MLB, NBA, NHL and NFL) is to have as "realistic" of a league as possible with people who will treat the league with respect and not My Little Pony it up. These leagues are fun because you can't just throw one together with a couple of friends or as a public league and have the reliability or owners track records to keep the league going.
I seriously feel like changing this to a keeper would be a shame. Besides, we have a hard enough time getting through a two round draft each year. |
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SPcARuTAbNSs
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| krush40 wrote: | | Besides, we have a hard enough time getting through a two round draft each year. |
Truest statement yet. |
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dannyboy_8054
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| SPcARuTAbNSs wrote: | | krush40 wrote: | | Besides, we have a hard enough time getting through a two round draft each year. |
Truest statement yet. |
Agreed, By having a one time re-draft per season it gathers all managers together for one draft rather than a slow draft which can take a month and requires people to continuously check in. |
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krush40
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| dannyboy_8054 wrote: | | Agreed, By having a one time re-draft per season it gathers all managers together for one draft rather than a slow draft which can take a month and requires people to continuously check in. |
That is my concern. Getting 14 people from all time zones in two different countries all being available at the same time seems impossible. When people get forced to autodraft, they are the ones who tend to start to not care if they end up unhappy with their team which leads to the death of league.
Obviously this is just my opinion, and majority rules, but what is the reason for wanting to change it? |
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Mickels
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| SPcARuTAbNSs wrote: | | I say six is like the whole team because you could keep your QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, which just leaves a flex, K, and DEF to round out the starters in the next draft. And all I've ever done is a 3 person keeper, but we didn't start as a dynasty like this league. So from that standpoint it does make sense to keep 6 so as not to make such a drastic change and mess with people's past strategies as much. |
I hear what you're saying, but it's not only those 3 positions you have to draft, it's obviously your bench too. That's the biggie. Plus, I simply like the strategy of a draft. |
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Tenacious D-Store
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm really impartial. I'll just go with the flow on this one. |
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Mickels
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| krush40 wrote: | | That is my concern. Getting 14 people from all time zones in two different countries all being available at the same time seems impossible. When people get forced to autodraft, they are the ones who tend to start to not care if they end up unhappy with their team which leads to the death of league. |
I was going to respond to this earlier, but ran out of time.
While I absolutely know what you mean, I look at it this way... it's really not that hard to make your pick. I don't care what anyone does for a living, no one is so busy they can't make their pick or tell someone like Kyle or Surge who they want next. It takes 10 minutes of your time. If people are forced to auto-draft and are then unhappy as a result, they have no one to blame but themselves. We're all adults here. Everyone is aware they are in the league and is aware when the draft is going on. I realize life happens, but still, we're not asking for a 3-hour commitment.
But you know what, whatever. I'm down with whatever. I think I've made my stance clear. Ideally, I'd like to see a keeper/dynasty hybrid with a 6 keeper/10-round draft, but at the same time, I'm perfectly fine with the league as it is too. |
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Anthony
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| I say keep it dynasty. We're years deep into a league that has had no issues. Dynasty leagues are pretty much the only thing keeping FPM going right now. Why change it? Not a fan of building a team, and then having to throw most of my team into a draft pool for the next season, and having to do it all over again. |
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krush40
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Anthony wrote: | | I say keep it dynasty. We're years deep into a league that has had no issues. Dynasty leagues are pretty much the only thing keeping FPM going right now. Why change it? Not a fan of building a team, and then having to throw most of my team into a draft pool for the next season, and having to do it all over again. |
ditto |
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Greco
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I say keep it as a dynasty as well.. |
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OkieBeatdown
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Dynasty. I still have players I picked in the first draft, and would hate to make choices as to who I keep, who's getting too old, etc. I started this thing with that core, and I'm hoping to one day ride it to a championship.. (damn I need a QB!) |
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ahathaway
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I am biased because I recognized my team sucked and built from the draft. I think I am on track to be good with the young core I have but if I were to have to revert to a keeper league I feel I would be greatly impacted. However I wont disappear if we change the format. |
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dannyboy_8054
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| We are currently locked at at 5-5 in terms of voting. Still missing 4 voters. |
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OkieBeatdown
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| I vote we stay as we are. I'd still stay active in a "keeper" but I agree in the uniqueness of this league as it is currently. |
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dannyboy_8054
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| OkieBeatdown wrote: | | I vote we stay as we are. I'd still stay active in a "keeper" but I agree in the uniqueness of this league as it is currently. |
Did you vote on the yahoo page? |
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krush40
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Okie, I have QBs for sale. |
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